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Serenity
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Okay, following in the footsteps of @steu2817 and @liquid... They posted threads about Alpha behavior in the bedroom and how it affects women. I'll post a few comments from them below.
A lot of Captains still struggle with the concept of being Alpha in the bedroom and say things like, "I just enjoy your pleasure. I love pleasing you." Which is very sweet and wonderful, but..... It can leave a woman not feeling desired by him, as if he is just doing her a favor and doesn't need sex nearly as much as she does.
So, what do you wish your husband knew? Be as detailed as you're comfortable with.

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For me it's been the way I've acted in bed post-MAP. Instead of being "respectful" I'm just doing what I want to do, fucking her the way I've always wanted to fuck her, moving her around a lot, being in control, and her response has been positive. Making comments like "that was goooooood" or talking dirty to me without being asked to. Yeah, I wish I would have known this during the last 5-7 years.
I think back to college - the girls who I treated with "respect" were the ones who dumped me or never came back but the ones I treated like a porn star wouldn't leave me alone. You think I would have figured that one out!!
Mine response would be positive, too. My DH is still far, far too concerned and involved in making sure I have an orgasm. That pretty much guarantees I won't have one. If I could just get him to understand ... just do what you want! that's what will get me going. I feel too put on the spot otherwise.
You are all onto something here.
"My DH is still far, far too concerned and involved in making sure I have an orgasm. That pretty much guarantees I won't have one. If I could just get him to understand ... just do what you want! that's what will get me going. I feel too put on the spot otherwise."
This is true. But at the same time...I can't just get there if he makes no effort at all. I am having a bad time right now and it has been over a week for me and I am so frustrated!
2 Saturdays ago - great time for both of us. Last Monday am - he woke me up for sex plus to tell me that he had taken the day off from work and was taking me out for breakfast and to spend some time at the park - sweet! It was short, all about him and pretty awesome. Put me in a good mood, even though I did not "Get mine".
Wed night - we flirted all day but stuff (4 kids!) got in the way and by the time we got to bed he was too pooped. Bummer. Thursday night - he tried to make it up to me...pressure, pressure, got close, distracted by our oldest two being so loud it seemed they were right outside our door, couldn't get the feeling back, told him to finish without me, he didn't because he felt guilty, then I felt guilty, kept trying, gave up, we both went to sleep miserable.
Saturday night I tried to explain that I just wanted him to have a good time, no pressure for me...and he misunderstood me, thought that I didn't want any attention, he had a great time, I cried afterwards.
Tuesday am (he took the day off to get some stuff he needed done) we tried again...I got close but now the pressure was even worse and I told him that I was done trying, maybe next time for me. This time I started to cry during...don't think he noticed (he was really into it and he couldn't see my face at that moment) but I felt errible.
I need to find that sweet spot - no emotional pressure but enough physical pressure, if ykwim? But he is all or nothing - either it is about him or about me.
Any thoughts?
However, I want a relative hottie and I want him to want ME, not just be sticking it in somewhere moist for the ol marital weekly pressure relief. Passionate sex doesn't have to be a borderline rape-fantasy thing, you know?
and for pity's sake, WASH YER BALLS. I am so over getting a noseful of smelly ballsack. Like, forever. I am not putting up with it no mo'
as for women not having orgasms: why do you bother having sex? Charity? duty? ugh. Tell him to go down on you. To me that's the one of two surefire ways. the other is frottage.
Better than valium, honestly. zzzzzz
Serenity, just keep telling your husband what you want! I'm sure he needs time to get adjusted to such heretical a concept. It's really hard for our husbands to unlearn what the've been fed for years and years - especially if they love us and want to be the best possible partners.
My husband chimes in: Giving me an orgasm is not only about "pleasing me", for him it's a lot more: In a way he's exerting some kind of power over me and that's ultimately exciting for him in reverse.
Liquid, would it work for you if your husband gave you an massage after he's had his orgasm? This way there would be less expectations and pressure. If things get more heated for you - perfect! If not, then you've had a cuddly, relaxing treatment and his attention. (Husband remarks: Better before he's had his orgasm in case he's one of those men who drop unconscious afterwards...)
If you want us to be unapologetically feminine, be unapologetically masculine.
hesitate groping
shy touches
soft mmmms or whimpers
asking too many probing questions during sex
using same position too often in a row
anything that feels lazy
hearing him say "lets slow it down" when we are just warming up
waiting for me to initiate everytime
touching me only when he's in the mood
ignoring my flirtations
silence during sex
looking content (soft smile) during sex
Turn Ons:
guys = muscles, if I wanted soft and gentle I'ld do it myself or tell him to go easy, I want to feel his strength
ordering me to assume any position, to wear this, or go get that toy (I want to hear his Alpha)
being flug around like a weigh nothing (Feel his Alpha)
seeing him get all puffed up (his Alpha has arrived and he's HUNGRY!) Maybe he even looks a little angry.
hearing detailed descriptions of what his body parts are doing to mine (raunchier the better, certain words send me over a cliff)
hearing him growl low and deep
variety, variety, variety (his choice or I can provide suggestions but he has to lead)
scenes, scenes, scenes (I have lots of scripts but he has to lead)
having me anywhere at anytime cause he can't help himself
duration. more times than not I need time, the longer it lasts, the harder I O, the more BJs and homemade pies he gets
I'm thinking the Jason Julius dvds are in our future.
Threads like this get me all worked up and frustrated sometimes. We're still getting the ED/Low T stuff worked out. Good news... he's got a Dr appt this week and he's discussing with Dr.
Now I wonder what his list looks like?
Your turn on list is pretty spot on too.
Girl Game is great fun! Some things I've done right instinctively, some I had learned in the last couple of years.
There's probably also the Central European (or Austrian) angle: Charm is considered the most attractive feminine quality over here - and that includes looking as attractive as possible and being
flirty in everyday situations to some extent. We learn Girl Game early on.
Still there's really a big difference between being available, being seductive and being downright turning your husband on - which I love. (Hah! That's probably the power-over-your-spouse thing with benefits for both! )
It must be tough though when you have to be afraid of rejection or lukewarm reactions, as Serenity pointed out. That's something I've never had to fear, so I could just seduce away and try all kinds of fun stuff.
My husband is the higher drive one of us, but we're not far off. And since we've adopted the Kays' Going-to-bed-is-having-sex-per-default concept we are more synced.
@Serenity: It seems you have to reel in your fish very carefully, applying just the right amount of haul. Would it work if you did some of the Girl Game stuff not ostensibly for him - but primarily for yourself, just to feel more desireable - and see what happens?
What lets my husband lose control? Well, I try to sustain a sexy undertone all day long if possible to build sexual tension (and no, it's not always possible with two teenagers, a stressful job and the occasional fight between us!). That includes dress, talking, touching. After a while it becomes second nature.
If you want us to be unapologetically feminine, be unapologetically masculine.
Fellow FOs, would it be fair to say that initially in your relationship he was dying to make out with you, then he was dying to get his hands/mouth on your boobs, then he was dying to get inside your pants... basically he enjoyed your body? And now, no matter how hot you are, that seems to be gone? That right there is the key ingredient in ALL romance novels/erotic stories that I've read. Not hot: medieval Highlander kidnaps a princess for political reasons, rapes her violently and leaves her in the snow. Very hot: medieval Highlander kidnaps a princess for political reasons, finds himself utterly unable to resist her winsome charm and amazing body, and enjoys every last inch of her despite her protests (while being careful not to actually hurt her because secretly he's kind of fallen in love with her).
That got long-winded. I'm almost done. @steu2817, I fully believe in apportioning responsibility on all sides, but I'm with @webmistress32 on this one. I'm MUCH hotter than when we first got together, I walk around in nothing but sexy underwear, dress well, work out, send sexy messages, etc. All of this is new. I've also asked more than once if there's anything at all he'd like me to do, but no. He's happy as is, See the discussion about why girl game isn't equivalent - upping "girl game" does not seem to naturally result in what we want, not in the same way effective MAP game does for men.
Maybe this type of "don't care" sex is like starfish sex by women? Is it fair to demand more than just starfish sex?
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Big muscles and confident leadership turn the relationship. And leadership is NOT trying to figure out what she wants and doin that. -farmertan
him: "I've been thinking about you all day" (he's locked the bedroom door and is groping me madly...so far, so good)
me: "how do you want me?" (as I'm helping him take my clothes off)
him: "however you want..."
Gah!!! This is like the "What do you want to do?" "I don't know, what do you want to do?" conversation that I hate! Tell me to bend over!, sit on the dresser!, get on your knees! Something!
My husband is getting better about this, but it's a slow process.
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Big muscles and confident leadership turn the relationship. And leadership is NOT trying to figure out what she wants and doin that. -farmertan
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Ok, as it's now written ... ;-) This is completely fair. Unfortunately that kind of move feels really wrong if he's being all beta. Wrong like... a Marine general walking over to a table where a couple of pasty nerds are sitting and asking shyly if they'd mind if he sits down - there goes that reactive desire again. Chicken and egg! I guess I've done all the aforementioned, it'd be nice if he stepped up his game equivalently, which would then give me more latitude to treat him like the alpha in the room without it inspiring such a nails-on-chalkboard reaction, and so on and so forth.
Not to mention if I suddenly did that after no change from him, he'd *really* think he must be doing something right and then where would we be??
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Big muscles and confident leadership turn the relationship. And leadership is NOT trying to figure out what she wants and doin that. -farmertan