What the hell happened? (PUA)

Les

Hi guys,


That will be long story, but I am clueless what the hell happened.

I am Pick Up Artist and quite good one. I am daygamer (street pickup with 90% direct openers)
However, the reason I went into Game is not to have notches, but to find suitable woman.
I did have few relationships before, but I have travelled a lot and it's hard to keep social circle of friends.
I have passed sex where I did not find a chance for LTR, thus you know where I am comming from.

3 months back I have meet the girl. I gamed her to the bed in few hours and it was well worth it.
Girl is just my type: smart (medical student +1 to Sex Rank), pretty (solid 8, part-time model), has good personality (not the club bitch type who ask for drinks) and black (yep, +1 to Sex Rank).

She proposed us to being exclusive and I was totally fine with that.
After that I was gaming just to keep frame (no dates, just number closes) - it helped me not to being needy and pass almost 90% of shit tests.
I have found MMSL, got book and started serious work on myself (fundamentals).

I didn't have any major problems with inner game, so I started working on physicality (gym, weight lifting, right now I press 80% of my body weight), voice (lowered pitch) and general LTR management (being nice).

I have told her I am player, but I will stop picking other girls.
I have a good job, so I also provided for her a lot (lunches every day, trips), but not too much (no to new phone).

I tried to cover all the boxes from MAP (and few others) - I got good game (being direct daygamer you have to be bold), I have good job so I tried to do ping-pong between alpha-beta.

From alpha side I randomly replied to her txtes, thus the communication was like 2:3 from my side. Looked perfect, she really got emotionally involved. We had sex quite regually (also with light-kinky stuff).
She was living in my place, which I tried to accommodate as much as possible (additional pillows, heater, etc) and keep it clean as much as possible.

It seemed we were doing well (minor things), there were not really many Red Flags (just one - she didn't want to introduce me to her family - more on that later) and I heard 'I love you' 6-8 times per day.

I also planned to introduce her to my family, thus I booked flight, hotel and visa (she need a visa to visit my country).

There was one incident when we meet a girl I have picked before and she was quite sad after that. I overdid it on jealousy there - it was too strong. But to be honest, I think it just added to Alpha side.

However, one day something was not right - my guts were screaming and I went into her phone and found she already broadcasted about her wedding plans with some guy (yes - she had planned that for half a year without informing me of her situation!)
However, it was not the case - she was probably pressed by family to do that (or so i want to believe)

I started to dig fruther and found another supriese egg - she has been in relation with some older guy (zero physical attractivenes, married to some harpy, typical AFC, but with good job in top company). He was basically paying her for sex for last year!
Those were like 1-2 One Night Stands in hotel rooms every month, where she was buying her expensive thing or giving cash.

Next day I have asked her what the hell is going on and she replied that her marriage was arranged, bla, bla, bla... Ok, I can believe that.

However, why the hell she was meeting the other guy for money during all our relationship?
I really believe she loves me (ticked all the boxes from loving woman script: spends most of time with me, lots of sex, holding me at night, etc.).
I have dumped her today (after finding that she had sex with this old guy), but I simply don't understand what the hell happened?

She jumped straight away into relationship and I honestly believe she is still emotionally involved with me - there is no way she could pretend so good (holding hands, working on relationship, frequent kinky sex, kisses and lots of PDA, checking on me with her phone).
Right now she still want to meet me, talk to me, etc. I believe it's honest (from my PUA experience), but I don't get why she was sleeping with this old guy all the way in our relationship.

As for me - I am around 8 Sex Rank (based on woman I dated), I am natural Beta with several Alpha trains I have picked during daygaming. I have very strong frame and I can easily pass shit tests.
I have learned a lot from PUA - how to be aloof, not-neediness, Body Language, Voice, Cocky&Fun style, playful neging, etc. I am very confident - not sure what else could I improve honestly.

Also, I think I have well covered dominance for now:
- Social Dominance - I have introduced her to 20+ of my friends. I often take leadership and lead the group where I want (another thing I got from PUA)
- Physical Dominance - could be better, but I am fairly fit now and my arms stated to look good recently (gym for a year three time a week, I bench press 80% of body, destroyed 2 punching bags from my kicks)
- Mental Dominance - I have high IQ, I know lots of things from medical (anatomy) - we were able to talk on equal level
- Sexual Dominance - could be better here (just few her-orgasms after 20+ lays), but I am trying light-kinky stuff plus dirty talking.

I am also naturally introverted (INTJ, so is she) thus I have listened a lot (Beta stuff).
I have introduced a capital - lieutenant model, which she liked.
Also, I have badboy vibe, which should give me additional points for taming me.

I though I had it all under control, but it exploded just like that.
If more information is requested I will be happy to provide.

P.S.
Also number-closed two girls in the morning and I have date confirmed today - it seems my Game is still good after this LRT.

Les

Notelrac

"I am clueless what the hell happened."
You encountered a woman who out-Gamed you.  Chalk it up to experience and move on.

neen

Just a comment for you to consider......this is a good reason to wait for awhile and not have sex

with someone you hardly know.  Perhaps just talking to someone for awhile (months) could help

you figure who they are.........just a thought from someone that is probably older than you.

Monkeys_Uncle

Stuff like this is a problem you will encouner with any girl you game into bed in a few hours.   Sorry. 

Les

@Notelrac
"You encountered a woman who out-Gamed you.  Chalk it up to experience and move on."

Agree completely. Next time wait longer before I introduce her to everyone I know. Experience... :-)
Daygaming is perfect for meeting all sorts of women. I just get next one. Hopefully, one LTR will work.

horseman

She bagged a rich guy to pay for med school!!!

Sorry dude I agree..you got taken by a better player. A true gold.digger is an art unto itself and she played into your player frame for the easy win.
Chalk it up. no shame in losing to a superior player. Just ask Gretsky once he left the Oilers.

Joskin_Nodd

@Les: "but I don't get why she was sleeping with this old guy all the way in our relationship."

Money. Which she needed. She no doubt liked you, but also saw you as a potential source of money (thus, why she asked for the new phone). A lot of the stuff she did was probably stuff she has done well and convincingly and perhaps sincerely before that has produced money. She probably found you a lot of fun to be with, too, so that was a bonus, while you paid for things, or she tried to get you to pay for things. A good gold digger can bag a player. Strange she was sloppy enough that you were able to verify. Maybe that was one last bit of game that backfired? 

Les

Yep - I was defeated by better player - gold digger :-D

"She bagged a rich guy to pay for med school!!!"
Nope - not so much money she got from him. Maybe for rent, but that's all. I have tracked it.

She got some money for lunches/entertainment from me. I got good job so it does not hurt so much plus I got my back in bangs :-)

Med school is paid by daddy, who is unaware what daughter does.

Funny thing is that her future husband is big player from what I can see. Already got her friend pregnant.
I would say they are worth each other.

One more thing - I could literally destroy her now with all this info... Her contacts, friends, parents, etc.
I will not do it (wanna her out of my life now), but she did not plan to end in this positions for sure!

Anyway - good experience for me.

mook_z

Why did your story need to have so many sentences bragging how easy it is for you to fuck chics? We got the idea after the first five examples.

Prez

Have you considered that a woman you could talk into bed with pick up lines might not be good wife material? 

Les

"Why did your story need to have so many sentences bragging how easy it is for you to fuck chics? We got the idea after the first five examples."

Never said it was easy. I am good with comparison to guys I know.
I will rather say I suck on lay-ratio. But I have no AA, so I am making tons of approaches to high-quality girls. Most of it backfires, but like I said - I am looking primarily for exclusive LTR, not lays.

"Have you considered that a woman you could talk into bed with pick up lines might not be good wife material?"
Disagree with that. Pick up lines get you woman on date.
On date you have to be real you (inner game) - you can use mind-tricks for one lay, but she will not meet you ever again.

Guys, please stop hatting PUA. The community motto is "Leave her better than you found her".
I agree that most of guys just go for quick lays, but PUA also helps people to open themselves and teaches them to be stronger. It helped me at least (yet, I have a lot to learn).

Dido

@Les: I know we have several single men and women on this site but most of them are here because a relationship failed and they want to know how to make it better next time or because they're looking for a LTR.

Not getting that from you somehow. This forum is about the sex lives of married men.

Les

@Dido
Marriage or LTR - it looks the same to me.

Anthol is the best source I know of about managing LTR/marriage (alpha-beta ping-pong). All I can get from PUA sites is "Go Fuck Ten Other Women".

OK - got my lesson. Hopefully, next time will make less mistakes.

leoslayer

Dido said:

@Les: I know we have several single men and women on this site but most of them are here because a relationship failed and they want to know how to make it better next time or because they're looking for a LTR. Not getting that from you somehow. This forum is about the sex lives of married men.

Well as a single man who has never had trouble getting tons of 30-90 day flings I am here to learn more about relationship maintenance. My marriage failed after 16 yrs and while I won't ever walk the aisle again I would not mind a more serious relationship here and there. Les is right most sites don't deal with relationships at all.
 

HalfBetter

The PUA got PUA'ed. Nuff said.

myrtle

Ha! How funny! The old man is paying her rent and the boy is buying her lunch and getting her off. Better than measly 500 dollar scholarship! Well, I say chalk it up to bad luck. But figure out how to tell this as a funny story later.

Joskin_Nodd

@Les: ""Have you considered that a woman you could talk into bed with pick up lines might not be good wife material?"
Disagree with that. Pick up lines get you woman on date.
On date you have to be real you (inner game) - you can use mind-tricks for one lay, but she will not meet you ever again.

Guys, please stop hatting PUA."

Very mild hating going on here, don't be oversensitive. I definitely don't hate the PUAs. It's fascinating stuff. Interested in your experiences and your input. I studied the PUA stuff for a year, in part just out of fascination that everything I thought I knew was wrong, and part wanting to game the wife. I find trying to use those techniques on a woman who has an experience of you as being a profound beta pussy can be difficult and exhausting, but still . . . it's always interesting. 

I agree: the quality of a woman who is attracted to a guy projecting alpha and having fun says nothing of their quality as a potential LTR. That's like saying "well, that's what you should expect from a woman with breasts and hair!" 

If you study the PUA stuff, especially guys like David Deangelo who is the Athol Kay of PUA, you see it's not about pick-up lines, at all. It's about inner game and attitude and projecting alpha and seeing yourself as the prize and learning to play with women you are attracted to, rather than coming up and being needy and wanting them to take your balls and put them in their purse. 

Les, Athol Kay recommends running background checks on people you are serious about. I think that advice might be really good for you. Credit report, criminal background check, etc. 

Dido

I don't have a problem with PUA either. Just think this thread might sit more naturally in the singles section?

mook_z

It stinks of insecurity if you feel the need to explain to Internet strangers just how awesome you are, no less than 5 times.

Les

@leoslayer
I believe in marriage. Anyway, I don't think high-quality woman wants to stay unmarried in relationship.

@Joskin_Nodd
Background checks are costly and take 3+ months for those Africa countries.

'everything I thought I knew was wrong' - yeah, taking red pill is not easy. It probably gets worse later - you know what can be done and keep wondering what your wife has been doing all day.

I have read David Deangelo 'Double Your Dating' - it's good stuff, but the guy focuses almost only on I-am-prize-attritude and C&F. IMHO, it's not enough - dominance is more important. Try 'Daygame Blueprint' (video series)

@mook_z
If I was so awesome that chick will never pull that. I am trying to guess what was missing here.